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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1896 Fisson
Picture received from Richard Hunt (UK)
taken on the Tankerton Slopes in 2004. There was a rally which toured
the area of Canterbury with a stop outside the Marine Hotel. Richard is
a keen photographer and will be entering photos into a competition where
the name of the car would be an asset. The picture is of the
1896 Fisson
made in Paris, of the only car of this make still surviving. Only
a few cars were made between 1895 and 1898. The car appears to have been
on the 2005 Brighton Run.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1906 Pipe
Two postcards from Bill Taylor (UK)
from an album, obtained by his grandfather, compiled by a Mnsr.
Ernest Odant, a Director of a glass factory in Belgium. An employee,
Mnsr. E. Dulier had sent the postcards from the Sahara Desert while traveling
in Africa. The 1906
Pipe car was made in Belgium by Compagnie Belge de
Construction Automobiles in Brussels, who were at the time the largest car
producer in Belgium.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1907 Laurin & Klement
Unusual photo from Toby Long (UK)
taken in India and found by Nicholas Rhodes a specialist on
the Himalayas and Tibet, and Himalayan Railway Club. The car proved to
be a cca 1907
Laurin & Klement Type A
voiturette made in Czechoslovakia. Interesting rear jump seat. L&K
started with bicycles in 1895, started with motorcycles in 1899 and
started on cars in 1905. L&K made some impressive vehicles,
including commercials and tractors, merging in 1925 with Skoda
Steel of Pilsen.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1907 LGOC Bus
Photo received from Stanislav
Kiriletz (Germany)
of what he believes is a British bus at international exhibition
in St. Petersburg (Russia) in1907. He wondered if it was Leyland or
similar. Lots of investigation doubted Leyland, included Berliet but
eventually suggested a bus by the London
General Omnibus Company (LGOC), then the largest operator of
motor buses, incorporating Road Car and Vanguard Companies and then
designing own busses as Associated Equipment Company (AEC) MORE»
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1909 Austin 15HP
Photo received from Peter Guyton (UK)
taken at the home in York of his great grandfather, the Lord Mayor of
York in 1880. The house is now an MOD army office. The car owner is one
of his sons, Harold Hartley Wilberforce, Peter's great uncle. The car is
a 1909
Austin 15HP Tourer.
The registration helps to date it. The last DN registration in 1908 was
DN 180. This 15HP Tourer was only made in 1909/10, and was the smallest
car Austin made in that year. It had a four cylinder engine of 2539
cc.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1910 Rover 8HP
Photo received from Mike and Sue Skilton (UK)
of Sue's grandfather's car. The registration number is DU 6140
and he is apparently the driver. We understand that the photograph was
taken in 1913. We can advise that the car is a cca 1910
Rover 8HP Swing Seat Tonneau. These were made between 1904
and 1912 and differ from the 6HP by having no front dumbirons. The car
had a single cylinder engine of 1327cc rated 8HP/900rpm. The reg. DU
indicates the car was registered in Coventry.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1910 Belsize Landaulet Taxi
Picture received from Adrian Hall (UK)
showing his great uncle in the driving seat and his two brothers
in the rear (middle being his grandfather),
possibly posed, asking if it was a Humber. Research has concluded
that it is in fact a 1910
Belsize Landaulet. What is interesting to note is that it is
a taxi because it seems to be fitted with the continental circular
taximeter (introduced in London in 1907) to the left behind the
driver, hidden by the steering wheel. The 'flag' is
upright.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1911 Foden Steam Lorry
Lovely picture received from Hillary Gill (UK)
of her great grandfather's steam lorry. They were always told it was a
Stanley. Can advise however that the vehicle is British and is a cca 1910/12
Foden 5 ton. A very similar
lorry is still being used having a registration of M4673 and is dated
1913. Theirs looks like being M2603 and
therefore is a little earlier. A similar Reg M2602
was indicated as being new in May 1910.
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WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE: cca
1914 Douglas 10.5HP
Hugh O'Neill (UK)
found an old diary written in Belfast in 1915 mentioning a brother
getting a Ford and he having his Douglas.
Two 'Douglas' cars were made, one in USA and other in UK. Am assuming
UK, so this is by the same company in Bristol making motorbikes. Car
production started in 1913 and went to 1922. Well made expensive
Cyclecar type of car, originally 1070cc 9HP, enlarged after WW1 to give
10.5HP, fitted with a two seater tourer body. Only a few hundred made.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1919 Dodge Tourer
Couple of lovely photos received from ex
Brit John Roberts (USA) of his grandmother
and his mother, then about 18, taken in Penang, Malaya around 1920-1922.
Grandfather was from a Cornish tin mining family, managing the
tin-smelting works at Penang. The car is a cca 1919
Dodge 4 Seater Touring Car, then probably quite new. Mother
married shortly after in the wilds of Trengganu. Other members of the
family were involved in later Japanese problems of escaping from
Singapore.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1920 & '22 Citroens
Photo received from Tom Jacobson, San Diego
(USA)
requesting identification of the two cars on the photo. He was trying to
date some photographs that they appeared in. He wanted to know model and
date? The cars were both Citroens. The one on the left is a Model
A of approx 1920 and the two seater car
on the right is a Model
C of 1922, with the shorter C1
chassis. However, this does not date
the photo !
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1920 Wolseley 15 Tourer
Photo received from Martyn Treasure
(UK)
who is assisting in research for a local history project about
people who lived and worked at a particular property. He came across the picture and requested identification. The car in the photo is a cca 1924
Wolseley 15 Tourer. The 15 was made between 1920 and 1927.
This is a pre 1924 car as it appears not to have front brakes
Registration PM is from East Sussex.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1921 Standard
Picture received from Peter F. Guyton (UK)
of his great uncle Harold Hartley Wilberforce of York who appears to
have been a keen motorist and who owned a number of cars. This is
a cca 1921 Standard
two-seater. In the 1919 to 1923 period a number of
very similar cars were developed with initially sidevalve (SLS) and then
overhead valve (SLO) engines with power outputs from 9.5 to 11.4 HP. The
position of the headlamps and the radiator emblem suggest that it is a
pre-1922 car.
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WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE: cca
1923 Morris Cowley
Hans Zwets contacted us from the Cape Peninsula in (South
Africa) saying they were planning to buy a 1923
Bullnose Morris Cowley. This is a two
seater coupe with a dickey seat but the photo they had received didn't
show the dickey seat extended. They were interested to know if the
dickey came as standard. Literature of the day indicated that dickeys
were fitted as standard. They subsequently purchased the car.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1925 AJS 350
Picture received from Mrs Bobbi
White of Dorset (UK)
of her father's motorbike taken in Mytchett in the
1920's with her uncle on the back. She thought it was an Ariel and
wanted to know if the bike has survived. Our experts suggest it is
most probably a 1925/26
AJS 350cc registered in Hampshire, Southampton. Reg HO 9626
does not appear to be on the current DVLA register so the bike may not
have survived.
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WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE: cca
1927 Gardner Sedan
Mark Munsey from the (USA)
contacted us saying they own and are restoring a 1927
Gardner Sedan and wanted more
information on the make and 'owners clubs'. We are not well versed on
the old car scene in the US so would welcome any information that we can
pass on. Garner, first in horse drawn buggies, then assembling
Chevrolets, made cars in St Lewis between 1919 and 1931. Well made
expensive 4, 6 and 8 cyl. cars fitted with Lycoming engines.
Finished with a front wheel drive Six.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1927 Radco 247cc
Photo received from John Richardson (UK)
passed to our motorcycle expert Robin Vince. Acetylene lighting
and forks with side springs indicate late twenties. Thoughts it being a
Raleigh were discounted as neither they, nor other lager manufacturers,
used side spring forks. During the 20s a myriad of small manufacturers
produced only a few machines. Possible is a 1927 Radco
247cc, registered
East Ham. Help?
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VALUATION OF VINTAGE CAR :
1929 Rover 10/25
Lovely photo received from Dave Cooper
(UK)
of his 1929
Rover 10/25 which he was going to sell. He therefore wanted
to have some idea how much it is worth.
15,000 of these cars were made in the period 1927 to 1933. These cars
were marketed as the Nippy Ten. Current book values range from £7,000,
concours, £4,000 good and £2,500 rough. Good example was recently
estimated for auction as between £6 - 7,000. From the picture, it
is possible this one would be up in the upper band.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1929 Morris Cowley
Photo received from Peter McGuire (UK)
requesting identification. Our Morris expert Chas Moody advises it is a
cca 1929 Morris Cowley, not earlier than September 1928 and up to
1930. Registration is Middlesex and appears original. 1929 model
has one-piece domed mudguards with the pressed steel cross-member
supporting the headlights. 1929 Cowleys had solid nickel radiators and
1930 had them chrome plated. Car is relatively rare and not on B&F Register.
Information requested.
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DATING OF PHOTOGRAPH: cca
1945 ?
Picture received from Cynthia Seymour (UK)
requesting approximate dating because somebody believed the lady had
died in 1926. From the photo, the earliest dating would be
1939/41 period. At this time cars became curvy, windscreen angled, and
the leading edge of the roof curved. If the car was second-hand, it is
quite possible that the photo could have been taken post-war. This could
take it into the late 1940s. The clothes suggest a date even more
recent, possibly even the fifties.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: 1940/50
Cars in Dursley
Two photos received from Andrew
Barton (UK)
requesting identification of a number
of cars. He was trying to collect information for a local
history group. The cars are (left to right) half back Rover 12 Sport cca
35; half front Singer 10 or 12 cca 39 (probably); back Rover 10 cca 35;
far back Ford V8 Pilot (probably); Hillman or Commer Van cca 39; Austin8
Hp cca 39; Morris 8 series E cca 39. Second Photo : Morris Commercial
Van mid 50s; Austin Devon Van ; Mini. The photo is post 59.
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NEEDS URGENTLY TO BE SAVED: 1946
Austin Pantechnicon
Photo taken approx 15 years ago received from Paul Cutler (UK)
of a 1946
Austin Pantechnicon removals van which had belonged to a
friend's late father who used to collect commercial vehicles. It had a
lot of money spent on restoration costs but unfortunately since then it
has been living in the garden and is a bit worse for wear. The rear
panel section has colapsed but it still has all wheels/cockpit/engine
etc. Free to anybody who wants to restore or use as spares. Will need
collecting.
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IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca
1953 Triumph Renown
Photo of a jigsaw received from Margaret
Leggett (UK)
saying it was a bit of a cheek, but could we identify the make of
the car. It had caused a lot of arguments over the Christmas period. The
car in the jigsaw is a Triumph. The razor-edged design was introduced in
1946 initially as the 1800, then in 1949 as the 2000 and later in 1949
as a series of Triumph
Renown models. These were made until 1954. The razor-edged
body style was also used on the smaller Mayflower models, which this is
not.
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